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I just had a problem on my Mac that I could not solve anywhere on the web, but wound up solving on my own. If you don’t own a Mac, then move along, but if you do, this may save you hours of frustration. I have a Western Digital 500 Gb external hard drive (which I named Colossus for those who get it). It’s formatted as Mac OS Extended (journaled). It came FAT32 of course, but that has issues — like it won’t allow files bigger than 4Gb which is simply stupid. So I reformatted it, and everything has been cool until last week.

I tried moving a movie file over today by dragging it off the Desktop and onto my external drive, and I got an error message saying Finder couldn’t move it because all or part of the file had a problem. This is the dreaded 'Error Code -36' message, which I assume Apple stole from Microsoft because it is a generic message which tells you nothing. Anyway, I searched high and low on the web for some way to fix this, but nothing helped.

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I changed permissions, I checked for errors using disk utility, and lots of other things. Nothing worked. I also noticed that text files moved over just fine. So did an XLS file. Just not AVIs. I was scratching my head, and then suddenly thought: wait a sec!

OSX (I’m still using 10.4 by the way) is based on Unix. I know lots of Unix! So I opened a terminal and cd’ed to the external drive directory. Everything looked fine.

Permissions and everything were set correctly. What I did next appears to have fixed the problem: instead of using Finder, in the terminal window I used the Unix command mv to move an AVI file from my internal drive to the external. It looked something like this: prompt% mv /Users/phil/Desktop/movie.avi. Which translates to 'Move the file from my desktop to the current directory' (remember, I had already cd’ed to my external drive’s movie directory, which looks like /Volumes/Colossus/movies). Maybe the problem was with Finder! So I went back and tried to move another movie file (similar to the first) using drag-and-drop, and this time it worked. I’m not sure what was going on; maybe Finder got all bollixed up, and by directly moving the files in Unix Finder was able to find its way back to reality.

I don’t know why this worked. But if you ever get the Error Code -36 message, try this. I just made myself very happy after being very sad. This may or may not be similar to a problem in Windows. When you click on an.AVI (or other video) in Windows Explorer it displays the length, resolution, etc in the status line. If you click and drag that to a new location (or delete it or something along those lines) before it has time to read that information (which can take a long time if the video is large) it fails to move the file because it is still scanning the video. There is a registry entry to keep Windows from trying to find out information about a video that a Google search should turn up (or one could single click the file, wait a little while until Windows Explorer has finished messing around, then drag it to a new location or delete it.) Afraid I don’t know enough about MacOS to know if the problem is similar, but I was reminded of the Windows problem.

Be careful if you’re using standard Unix commands on Classic files. I bleeped up a “backup” when I was shifting files on a machine that was set up to dual-boot between MacOS 9 and MacOS X when I did an ‘mv’ on a file with a resource fork. Copied the (empty) data fork and dropped the resource fork completely. I tried googling for “MacOS Classic Error codes” and stumbled on a help page for “MacOS Fork Converter” that lead into the Carbon reference guide, which was a real trip down memory lane. I first got into Mac’s when a buddy and I decided we’d like to write an accounting package.

Never did get it written. Digging into the ‘Carbon’ documentation tells me that ‘-36’ is “ioErr” which is a generic I/O error. Probably a glitch at the electrical level or a very low-level driver error. So I’m afraid your ‘fix’ has a pretty good chance of being cargo-cultish.

BA: If I’m right and it was a transient error, then doing the ‘mv’ didn’t “fix” anything, it just succeeded because the error didn’t recur. It’s excruciatingly common in the tech support field to hear reports that start, “The last time this happened, I did ‘x’ and that fixed it but it didn’t work this time.” And the ‘x’ almost never has anything to do with the typical root cause of the reported problem.

Or there may be some issue with the Finder caching data it shouldn’t, and the cache got flushed when you did your ‘mv’ command. Computers are so complicated these days it’s hard to tell.

I had a bug in a release at work a couple of months ago where something using an ancient programming language ‘worked’ for years (literally) until I replaced a ‘shell call’ with a function that used the Windows API to launch the child program, so that we wouldn’t get annoying popup windows. Turns out the ‘built in’ shell-out triggered memory behavior that hid a long-standing design issue in the way we did customer-specific code.

So despite my instinctive reaction, you might be right; it might have really fixed it. Or, you might be seeing Steve Jobs’ face on your toaster. Just no way to know unless you’re willing to spend a month trying to repeat the experiment. Apropos of my comment about wrecking my data by doing “mv” at the command level, I found this at the bottom of the man page I quoted above: As of Mac OS X 10.4, the cp command preserves metadata and resource forks of files on Extended HFS volumes, so it can be used in place of CpMac. Moral of the story: The command line is cool, and.nix wins.

I miss the days when you could go to a command prompt in Windows and make changes that the OS didn’t want you to do. Windows is still a necessity for me because I play games on my compy, DirectX was the smartest thing Microsoft ever did for themselves imho. Anyone who likes the.nix command line must get Cygwin for their Windows machines. I use cygwin almost daily for simple things like find and grep, because the Windows version of those functions are much slower and far less accurate.

Reminds me of a problem I’ve often had in Windows by which Explorer won’t let me delete movie files. It might be a ‘scanning file’ thing as it won’t, it won’t it will! But I did have one file recently it just wouldn’t let me delete no matter how much time I gave it to think. Fortunately command.com & del did the trick. (I think things got partially screwed by due to a program I loaded that preemptively tried to lock any and all avi files and the deleted files wouldn’t disappear from Explorer until I rebooted.

That program (something to do with my webcam) has since been killed.). I believe that part of the problem lies in how the finder copies/moves things versus the ‘cp’ or ‘mv’ commands. Unless you tell them to, cp and mv dont do verification on the file, whereas I believe that the finder does (not sure if it’s md5 hash or something similar).

If it’s disk sector related (error 36 is an I/O one as mentioned before), then moving other files shouldn’t necessarily reproduce the problem. What happens if you attempt to drag and drop the original file.back. to the mac using the finder? I must congratulate you on what is a fabulously typical reductionist approach to problem solving!

(“If I ignore the function of the failing component of the system, the problem goes away”). The assumption that the error code is “copied from Microsoft” is grossly inaccurate; computers are full of all sorts of little numbers, and it should be expected that occasionally they bubble through to the surface regardless of operating system.

The number in question looks like a UNIX ‘errno’. After consulting /usr/include/sys/errno.h I see that it is ERANGE, which is returned by the operating system kernel when a program requests information about an object that cannot be represented using the types requested. A 32-bit signed number (range.) is not sufficient for representing file sizes over 2047.99GiB. This is probably a bug in Finder or one of the tools it is using underneath the surface, and should probably be reported to Apple. For what it’s worth on Leopard the operation you describe with this type of filesystem does not produce the same error. I trust that your religious assumptions aren’t so grossly concocted!

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Huh, interesting. I have a MacBook (now) dualbooting between Tiger and Ubuntu Gutsy, and never had any problems transferring files (sometimes large movie files) to my external HD. Now, Gutsy, on the other hand my external HD will be working perfectly for days, and then all of a sudden will refuse to let me copy a file over from my desktop to a folder some four or five levels down on the external. Says I don’t have permission to do so, and no amount of (un)mounting, logging out/in, rebooting, etc, will fix it.

The trick is I have to boot into Tiger and then reboot into Gutsy, and I can copy things over no problem. Curious as to what was the actual filename you moved? If you copy it back to the desktop, does it start failing again? Can I assume that non-avi files dragged from the same folder succeeded?

(Or were the other file types in other folders?) Also, I’m not sure if you should be praised or condemned for using the technically-correct (I think) “fora”. (I haven’t done any serious Mac work since the Mac XL, but I use Unix every day.) And yes, a 4GB filesize limit is pretty silly on a 500GB drive, but that’s the limit of FAT32, which is simply an “enhanced” version of FAT from MS-DOS 1.0’s 360K floppy days. They could put NTFS on it, but then Win95/98/Me couldn’t use it.

(And yes, I agree that keeping compatibility with such systems is also silly nowadays.) Can Macs use NTFS? Pardon me for jumping in. One way to double-check whether the copy worked is to use ‘md5’ at the command line, e.g., md5 monkeysAndMonolith.avi md5 /monkeysAndMonolith.avi If your original file and the new copy yield the same checksum, you can be confident that the file data was copied correctly. (Unless you’re.incredibly.

unlucky; the odds of two differing files having the same checksum are something like 1 in 3.40282367 × 10^38.) The md5 command won’t address the issue of whether your file.meta.data was copied correctly, but that’s probably not an issue for an AVI file. Hope this helps. Can Macs use NTFS?

NTFS-3G, which I use on Linux for accessing NTFS partitions, may also be available for OS X. Mac has native read support but not write support, as does Linux. NTFS-3G provides reliable write support, although it apparently does not support permissions very well. It is often included in Linux distros, but you probably have to download it yourself for Mac. Looks like you can get precompiled binaries for it here: You also apparently need the Mac version of FUSE, which NTFS-3G depends on.

Error -36 is not an Errno error number. It’s inherited from the old pre-Mac OS X operating system way back when it was not Unix based. It means I/O error, but that.usually.

translates to hardware failure, either at Read or Write time. In your case, it’s probably at Read time.

Such an error.might. be transient on hard disks, which would explain while the “cp” command worked. Another reason why it might have worked and not the Finder, is if the Read error was on metadata.

In any case, I would strongly recommend a low-level check of the Hard disk, using any utility. Alternatively, reformat it using the Erase option: this will trigger the remapping of any bad hard-disk sector.

And yes, the Mac is a joy to use. Did you try iMovie ’08 for your videos? While lacking some advanced features (especially in the audio department), I think it would be quite nice for the kind of videos you put out.

Cheers, Jean-Denis. When you get errors moving files or opening external drives, you can try to restart Finder first. This can be done by option-right-clicking the Finder’s icon in the dock, or choosing Force Quit from the Apple menu. But a far better solution, one that’s less likely to have bad results, is to just reboot.

Some external drives come with drivers that are just out-and-out bad. My latest external drive, a 2TB FW800 job, came with a driver that I stupidly installed.

My system became VERY unstable afterwards. It was fine and dandy after digging that driver out by the roots.

Moral: DON’T install external drive drivers. OS X has all you need to use them already. And if terminal file operations succeed when the Finder spouts errors, its a good time to restart Finder – or the whole computer to be safe.

Muys is right. Error code -36 is one of the very old Macintosh operating system numbers. You can get it from a bad disk block, a soft or hard error; you can get it from a flakey or failing network connection; you can get it on an overstressed Firewire daisy chain or from too much USB chaining; you can get it when the disk cache management gets bollixed. Usually, if it seems to have gone away, you are fine, but if you get it repeatedly your drive may be on its last legs. Keep your ears open for repeated clicking sounds coming from your drives. If you hear a new sound, it may be time to panic.

There’s a procedure that always works and solves every problem that ever came up on any Apple equipment: 1. If you have a wireless mouse skip step 2.

Gripping the mouse firmly pull the mouse cord taught. Drag and drop the Mac into the bin.

Buy yourself a PC like you should have done in the first place schmuck. I’d also like to take this opportunity to apologise to all the young Mac users who were sucked into thinking they were cool for buying a piece of junk that does little but frustrate the hell out of them, while allowing Steve Jobs to mistakenly think he’s some kind of technology guru. Those of us who lived through the 80’s, shouldn’t have been so worried about the Ozone Layer, beached whales, and lame stuff like that – and been more concerned about Apple’s marketing tactics – selling trumped-up sub-standard garbage at ludicrous prices.

If only people had listened to me then and dragged and dropped Steve Jobs into a hole somewhere. I tried to tell them they would regret the kind of world we would leave for future generations, if we didn’t act now!

So thanks all you old Mac users. Now look and see the irreversible damage you’ve all done to the computer market by giving your money to a company that generates such high levels of technological pollutants.

And Steve Jobs’ toxic business philosophy has a half-life of over 20 years! So your children, and your children’s children will be left with your socially irresponsible mess. Just look at all the Apple-drones running around still believing their Apple Mac is the greatest thing since sliced bread. And it’s worse when they brain-wash their children with this irrational nonsense – just like kids who are raised to believe in fundamentalist religion or racial bigotry.

Well, I suppose there is no need on being such critical towards any OS – you can achieve the same result on any kind of OS depending on your level of professionalism. There is always a way to solve the problems and it depends on your determination. A note on.AVI. files – they are actually archive-directory files and depending on your Finder’s set-up it might take awhile to access it.

In case of your external drive it might probably be better of you switch of the automatic mapping of the directories there. I suspect that your file was quite big and it was actually trying to map it over there (in.DSStore) and at some point a hard-drive access time-out occurred. I love the fact OS X is certified UNIX. Having been in a UNIX world for so many years, it was nice to work with it. Of course, now I’m at a job which is 100% the opposite, Windows. And they look at me funny when I mention anything about UNIX.

I take it you have never heard of cygwin? You can even use unix commands in the window’s built-in command line.

That is one of the (few) advantages of windows, if you want to do something there is usually a way to do it. Mac is built on top of a Unix-like kernel, but it adds so much additional stuff on top while completely locking down the system so it can only be used just the way Apple wants you to use it. It seems to take all the disadvantages of Unix (lack of software and hardware support, primarily) but few of the advantages (like freedom, versatility, customization, use of open and transparent software, etc). If you want Unix that badly, you can get it for free (if you don’t like Linux there is OpenBSD, OpenSolaris, and a number of others). I don’t see the point in paying for an expensive, locked-down system when what you really want is Unix. Heck, you can’t even use the Intel Mac Os X in a Virtual Machine, even Microsoft lets you do that (not to mention the many Linux distros that have versions specifically built for that purpose). I have started noticing this problem too I have one Western Digital My Book Pro and 3 of the Western Digital My Book2 Studio drives.

All of them are 500 gig. Now I have noticed that there are firmware updates on the WD site as well as software that they say you should have installed, especially if you are using 10.5 leopard Im going to start clearing the drives and then updating the firmware and using the WD driver/extensions in my mac os 10.5 and 10.4 computers I was getting the error when copying video files off a la cie disk to the My Book Studio a few days ago.

Rather than copy 10 or twenty at a time I started to copy one by one. Video files that had reported the error seemed to copy over fine but some files would stop at the same place and wouldnt copy. I had back ups so I just deleted them but it is VERY WORRYING. One thing does keep popping up when looking on the internet for this error: Western Digital so perhaps the firmware and extensions will fix it all but I didnt see the error reported on the western I was starting to think that there were bad sectors on the disk or that it was a permissions problem. Falling back on the command prompt to do something because the GUI fails, shows that the BA has intelligence. Your unix knowledge shows you grew up with a unix background. I find using the command prompt in any OS, whether Windows, Linux, MacOS or whatever, is often useful in solving problems on modern GUI oriented PCs.

Never forget the command prompt. It is your friend. Having grown up using the old DOS command prompt, gives me a certain perspective, that allows me work around GUI issues. The OS also becomes largely irrelevent, there is always a way around the GUI. You can hack the OS from beneith it’s soft underbelly. Unfortunately kids today have grown up with GUIs and most have no idea that a command prompt even exists. It’s a shame really.

I’m having the same error problemI’m not familiar at all with code, but I though I’d give this a shot because I am very desperate. I cd’ed my external, opened a folder called movies inside of there and then typed cp /Users/neoarchie2001/Desktop/Movie.mp4. Jasons-computer:/Volumes/External/Television neoarchie2001$ cp /Users/neoarchie2001/Desktop/Movie.mp4. Usage: cp -R -H -L -P -f -i -n -pv src target cp -R -H -L -P -f -i -n -pv src1 srcN directory jason-harrelsons-computer:/Volumes/External/Television neoarchie2001$ and this is what I get?? I don’t get what’s going onbut drag and drop certainly continues to not work.Can you help???

Hello everyone, I have an external hard drive with lots of pictures and I recently tried to rename one of the directories. It gave me the mentioned error -36. However, instead of renaming the directory it left the original intact and then it created a new one with the name that I tried to use to rename the original one.

As a result now I have two directories with exactly the same files inside. I have tried everything imaginable including deleting both of them, and it does not let me. It gives me the error code -36 over and over. Then if I tried to rename it again, it creates a new copy of it with the new name. Unfortunately, I don’t know UNIX so I would not be able to delete them using a UNIX commands. But I could tried to delete them with your help. Please, help, I beg you I want to delete all of them.

Hi Phil Plait, I’m having the same exact problem now. I can’t copy / move / write any files to my external hard drives. Files komponenter. I tried your technique and I could successfully move a file to 1 partition, after which I can freely move files to that partition. However, it still didn’t work when I tried to move a file to a different partition (same hard disk) so I tried the technique again on the 2nd partition.

The file transfer was terribly slow like USB 1.1 (I’m using FW800) yet after that, I still can’t copy files to the 2nd partition. The error -36 message still pops up and, worse, now I can’t copy files from that partition to my Macintosh HD by dragging. When I tried moving the file from the 2nd partition to my Macintosh HD, the message is ‘Result too large’. Can you please help me? I’m so desperate now. I’ve tried repairing disk permission, repairing disk, rebuilding disk (DiskWarrior) and even reformatting and restoring my Macintosh HD to no avail. I’m newbee to mac.

I’ve just unwrapped my first macbook pro. I have a Lacie 1T drive ntfs-formatted and used with winxp to hold my pictures. I want to copy my picturefiles (.NEF,.dng and.jpg-files) to my new macbook.

(about 26.000 files). I connect the LaCie-drive through FW800.

Finder gives me this very little informative error 36 message. I can actually open some of the files that yields the error. I’ve tried the ditto command but i does seem to stop copying after 1/3 of the files have been copied.

Does anyone in here have a good suggestion as to what to try next? G7: Open Finder, go to Programs, then Tools, and you may see Terminal down there (I don’t know if it is actually named Tools, but must be something like that, my Leopard is in danish. Im trying to move files from my desktop to my external but im getting the error code 36 also.

I tried terminal and this is what i get Macintosh: Murda$ prompt% mv/Users/Murda/Desktop/Logic 8 Serial.rtf/Volumes/Mac Drive/Programs -bash: mv/Users/Murda/Desktop/Logic 8 Serial.rtf/Volumes/Mac Drive/Programs: Not a directory what am i doing wrong? Im trying to move it to my Mac Drive ( usb external, it used to work when i did the drag and drop thing. I can still access files from that drive just not able to copy ) from my desktop. Well here it is October 10, 2011, and, after being able to transfer my.avi downloads to a LaCie HD for the past year, about two weeks ago i began getting “error 36” messages with every attempted transfer from my MacMini (OSX 10.6.8) to HD. In one way, i am relieved to hear that many others have had a similar problem. But evidently the problem is NOT solved, if indeed it occurs at the Apple end of things. I thought perhaps it was a flaw occurring during the download stage — even though.avi files played perfectly on the Mini.

So I am still struggling to come up with a solution.i’m a novice when it comes to UNIX, I had the impression that the Mini’s HD had to be partitioned to run UNIX — but perhaps that is a mistaken belief. The message i receive when i try to transfer a file is: “The Finder can’t complete the operation because some data in “.(program title).S03E03.HDTV.XviD-LOL.VTV.avi” can’t be read or written.

(Error code -36).